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Traveller-digest     Thursday, November 4 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1305<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Re: Border Guards<BR>
Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8<BR>
Re: Glitches after maintenance<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: [OT] Cultural Differences...<BR>
Cold Capsules? (was: Cultural Differences)<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: ignorance of the law and secret laws<BR>
Re: Border Guards<BR>
Islamic Observances in Interstellar Space (Was: Re: [OT] Cultural  Differences)<BR>
Re: Professional qualifications in 3I (was Re: Stupid questions [was: Re: OT: Mathematical help needed])  :)<BR>
Re: Glitches after maintenance<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any...<BR>
RE: Border Guards<BR>
Re: Diplomacy<BR>
[none]<BR>
Re CT BBB Errata<BR>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:53:37 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Border Guards<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>>From: "Moody, Danny M." <DMoody@bridge.com><BR>
><BR>
>>ObTrav:  How common is the non-self incrimination<BR>
>> right in planetarylaw?<BR>
><BR>
> The Terrans probably carried the idea from the<BR>
> American/European model of the social contract that<BR>
> they brought into space.  On the other hand, the<BR>
> concept probably does not mesh well with Vilani<BR>
> culture, where protection of the individual from the<BR>
> state is a foreign concept.  So that's a good<BR>
> question, but the answer is elusive.<BR>
<BR>
Now factor in the fact that it's fairly likely that we'll develop<BR>
something like Piper's veridicator or Halpern's "truth machine" in the<BR>
not too distant future. <BR>
<BR>
When you have a *reliable* indicator of whether a person is or isn't<BR>
telling the truth, the protection against self-incrimination takes on a<BR>
whole different character. <BR>
<BR>
You are more likely to run into limitations on what sort of questions<BR>
can be asked under which circumstances.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:22:16 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> At 02:18 PM 11/3/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>><BR>
>>Kiri  =)  not Keri, Kerry or Carrie<BR>
>><BR>
><BR>
> So how is your name pronounced?<BR>
<BR>
My money is on "kih-ree" or possibly "key-ree" <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:24:38 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Glitches after maintenance<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> John Buston writes:<BR>
>> >My players are currently having their ship undergo repairs/annual<BR>
>> >maintenance in a lower tech starport than the ship. They are also<BR>
>> >performing self-maintenance on the jump drive, fusion reactor and<BR>
>> >thrusters, as well as using an experimental jump drive component.<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> >Anyone have any nice glitches I can throw at them during the<BR>
>> >shakedown?<BR>
><BR>
> These are all based loosely on my rl experiences building a large<BR>
> distributed computer-controlled heating, ventillation, and air<BR>
> conditioning (HVAC) system. <BR>
><BR>
> * Telltale bulbs are shoddy; one or two burn out every day.  Engineer<BR>
>   gets twitchy from scanning areas and not seeing greens where she<BR>
>   expects them...wonders if it's the green burned out, or the yellow,<BR>
>   or...<BR>
><BR>
> * Readouts are hard to read, unstable, or require special handling to<BR>
>   use.  Analog gauges might require a tap on the side or a slight shake to<BR>
>   settle to true readings.  Digital readouts disappear or go to all 8s at<BR>
>   unpredictable times.  Maintenance and repair tasks become a level harder<BR>
>   and take twice as long.<BR>
><BR>
> * A 'routine' wiring repair turns weird when an unknown component is found<BR>
>   behind a panel.  It's an old, battered-looking circuit box with various<BR>
>   cables recognizable as power and data to various systems, along with two<BR>
>   unlabled ones nobody has ever seen before, clamped onto a series of<BR>
>   rusty-looking terminals.  The box isn't mentioned on the maintenance<BR>
>   contractors' records.  Prying it open in place (which risks dislodging<BR>
>   one or more of the poorly-attached cables) reveals a set of primitive<BR>
>   power conditioning and surge protection circuits...a function which<BR>
>   should already be handled elsewhere in the wiring.  Emphasis on the<BR>
>   *should*...<BR>
><BR>
> * ...because power spikes start showing up in the ship's grid, at<BR>
>   unpredictable branches and times.  Mostly they just burn out lights<BR>
>   and trip breakers, but there's always that worry that one of the<BR>
>   breakers will be familiar with Murphy's Law.  Eventually, it turns<BR>
>   out that the spikes happen only when the door to the captain's<BR>
>   fresher is opened or closed.<BR>
<BR>
And from an old post here (or possibly elsewhere), upon removing panels<BR>
to repair battle damage (or the once in a lifetime meteor strike that<BR>
pentrates the hull), you discover that the <bleep><bleep><bleep><BR>
automated wiring robot that did that cable run had used some gizmo you<BR>
don't have to ID the wires in the cable by sending signals thru it. And<BR>
*hadn't* used color coded wires. Thus:<BR>
<BR>
You "dissect" the ends of the broken cable so you can splice the broken<BR>
wires. Only to find yourself staring at 200 wires, all the same color. <BR>
<BR>
If you know the tricks, it'll take a couple of assistants and a few<BR>
dozen or so measurements on *each* of the two cable "segments" just to<BR>
establish that there are no open or shorted wires. If you *don't* know<BR>
the tricks, it'll take some ungodly number of measurements (200<BR>
factorial?) <BR>
<BR>
And if you didn't think to label the wires as you did that set of<BR>
tests, you've got to do another set of as many again to ID the wires.<BR>
*Then* you can get down to splicing them. Have fun!<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:40:55 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au writes:<BR>
><BR>
>> This is the part of the argument I have never understood. I mean,<BR>
>> isn't it supposed to be "_organised_ militia"?? I mean, Switzerland<BR>
>> has an organised militia, they have military weapons at home, and it<BR>
>> seems to work rather well. This doesn't appear to be the case in the<BR>
>> US.<BR>
<BR>
> Actually, the US does have an 'organized militia'.  It's called the<BR>
> National Guard, and is probably fairly close to what the founders<BR>
> wanted, since they were more states-rights people than democrats per<BR>
> se, and the national guard is under the control of individual states<BR>
> (and does, incidentally, have military equipment).  However, the<BR>
> second amendment is subject to multiple different interpretations; in<BR>
> particular, it is not obvious that the right to bear arms is<BR>
> _limited_ to the creation of a 'well-ordered militia'.<BR>
<BR>
Well, as has been pointed out in the past, US law *defines* an<BR>
"unorganized militia". And that means it, too, is a militia. <BR>
<BR>
Also, it's a matter of record that during the debates before the<BR>
amendments were passed, a motion to add "in the common defence" after<BR>
"to keep and bear arms" was voted down.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:19:29 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cultural Differences...<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> At 09:52 PM 11/2/99 EST, you wrote:<BR>
>>the US. Muslims love it because they know there will be no pork<BR>
> products in <BR>
>>it, and many non Jews think it's cleaner and/or healthier for you. I<BR>
> can't <BR>
><BR>
>         Apparently, Muslims love it because "kosher" is supposed to be an<BR>
> acceptable substitute for "halal"--the Islamic dietary law.<BR>
<BR>
And both sets of laws *in application* consider things you'd never<BR>
think of if you weren't subject to them. <BR>
<BR>
For example, why aren't various cold capsules kosher?<BR>
<BR>
(answer at bottom of message)<BR>
<BR>
OBTrav: trying to deal with dietary or other religious restrictions of<BR>
a VIP passenger. Which way is Mecca while you are in Jump? Is recycled<BR>
water kosher? What Islamic calendar date is it?<BR>
<BR>
That last one gets ugly, because the start of the month is supposed to<BR>
be determined by *direct observation* of the new moon.<BR>
<BR>
At least Jewish law provides for situations when local sunset isn't<BR>
available or practical for determining the start of a day (say up near<BR>
and beyond the Arctic circle, and by extension, in a space habitat).<BR>
You use the time of sunset in Jerusalem.<BR>
<BR>
Now consider the mess you get with religions from other worlds and<BR>
species. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Oh yeah, the reason the cold capsules aren't kosher? The *capsule*<BR>
part is made of gelatin, an animal product (derived from bones and<BR>
hooves). And since you don't know if they used pig parts in producing<BR>
it, it isn't kosher (or halal).<BR>
<BR>
I think there's only *one* producer of gelatin in the US that's halal,<BR>
and I forget which one it is. I *assume* they are also kosher, but it's<BR>
only a guess since I got the info from a FAQ about halal foods. <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 23:24:09 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Cold Capsules? (was: Cultural Differences)<BR>
<BR>
Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> In mail you write:<BR>
> <BR>
> > At 09:52 PM 11/2/99 EST, you wrote:<BR>
> >>the US. Muslims love it because they know there will be no pork<BR>
> > products in<BR>
> >>it, and many non Jews think it's cleaner and/or healthier for you. I<BR>
> > can't<BR>
> ><BR>
> >         Apparently, Muslims love it because "kosher" is supposed to be an<BR>
> > acceptable substitute for "halal"--the Islamic dietary law.<BR>
> <BR>
> And both sets of laws *in application* consider things you'd never<BR>
> think of if you weren't subject to them.<BR>
> <BR>
> For example, why aren't various cold capsules kosher?<BR>
<BR>
All right, it seems that I've been a TMLer for too long.  When you said<BR>
"cold capsules", I thought of Low Passage berths, and was trying to<BR>
figure out what aspect of kosher dietary law addresssed such.  It didn't<BR>
even _occur_ to me that you might be referring to late-20th-century<BR>
Terran palliatives for rhinovirus infection....<BR>
<BR>
<<snip>><BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 00:41:12 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
At 07:21 PM 11/3/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>If one was seeking to be completely independent of the commercial<BR>
>manufacturing base, or stuck on a tech 7 or so world with the bare minimum<BR>
>of gear and were builing your own arsenal. what about caseless? Could one go<BR>
>this route to simplify things, or does this just add more complications? Are<BR>
>caseless rounds more difficult to manufacture? Personally I'll stick to a<BR>
>.22, as the ammo is ubiquitous (sold on the counter at local stores) and<BR>
>cheap, and I don't like big boom.<BR>
<BR>
Actually, I think the original thread started on the basis of "How hard <BR>
would it be for a normal person (not a Trav PC) to make a gun (semi auto or <BR>
auto) if guns (and related paraphernalia such as ammo, powder, etc.) were <BR>
illegal?"<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
jg42@cornell.edu        "I do not agree with a word you say, but I will<BR>
                          defend to the death your right to say it."<BR>
                                              -- Francois Marie Voltaire<BR>
#include <disclaimer.h> "Imagination is more important than knowledge"<BR>
                          			     -- Albert Einstein<BR>
for PGP public-key and<BR>
more quotes, http://gerfalcon.tzo.com/plan.htm<BR>
WWW Page: http://gerfalcon.tzo.com/                <BR>
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:53:04 +1300<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: ignorance of the law and secret laws<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Brandon Cope <copeab@hotmail.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 9:35 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: ignorance of the law and secret laws<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> >From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
> >Other societies may have laws that are secret, and it<BR>
> >may even be a crime to know the contents of those laws<BR>
> >without proper authorization.  In this way, the<BR>
> >citizenry are kept afraid that they are unwittingly<BR>
> >committing crimes, and the police can always accuse<BR>
> >them of criminal conduct and use that as leverage to<BR>
> >obtain an advantage.  ("Comrade Shopkeeper, I've<BR>
> >examined your books and records, and there appear to<BR>
> >be violations of the secret currency laws.  I will<BR>
> >allow you to put them in order, and I will return in<BR>
> >two days to review them again.  I am sure that they<BR>
> >will be in good order at that time.  In addition, I<BR>
> >would like to enjoy the company of your daughter<BR>
> >between now and then. Do we have an understanding?")<BR>
><BR>
> I've toyed with the idea of something along parallel lines (though not the<BR>
> same; the two could be combined). Through history, 'guilty until proven<BR>
> innocent' is much more common than the reverse. A society could extend<BR>
this<BR>
> in an extreme way: all citizens are assumed to have committed some crime<BR>
> that the government has not yet learned of. Thus, they can be detained<BR>
> and/or searched at the whim of the police as the person is obviously<BR>
guilty<BR>
> of some criminal act.<BR>
<BR>
Similar to the society in Judge Dredd, where they are _extremelely_<BR>
suspcicious of citizens who haven't been convicted of something, because,<BR>
well, they must be damn good criminals to have avoided prosecution for so<BR>
long.<BR>
<BR>
There's even a story in which they find a guy who really has done nothing<BR>
illegal all his life, so Judge Dredd harasses him until he does do something<BR>
wrong !<BR>
<BR>
> Of course, those in the government would, for the most<BR>
> part, have to be assumed 'guiltless' (or at least as one rose in the<BR>
> heirarchy, one proved oneself less guilty).<BR>
><BR>
> Combine this with secret laws at your own risk ...<BR>
<BR>
Combine this with Judge Death, and get<BR>
"Only the living commit crimessss, there can be no crime if everyone isss<BR>
dead"<BR>
<BR>
Appropriate for a TNE campaign where Virus got into police dept robots, huh<BR>
?<BR>
<BR>
Frankie<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 00:49:56 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Border Guards<BR>
<BR>
At 07:53 PM 11/3/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>When you have a *reliable* indicator of whether a person is or isn't<BR>
>telling the truth, the protection against self-incrimination takes on a<BR>
>whole different character.<BR>
><BR>
>You are more likely to run into limitations on what sort of questions<BR>
>can be asked under which circumstances.<BR>
<BR>
I can't remember who wrote this series of short stories (Niven maybe?) <BR>
about an eclectic professor that helped the cops in some obscure <BR>
investigation, but in that world they had a mind probe that could reliably <BR>
tell whether someone was lying or not.  Police could compel it's use in a <BR>
criminal investigation, but the law was that a person could only be <BR>
subjected to it once in his lifetime (some sort of weird double jeopardy <BR>
extension).<BR>
<BR>
The result was that criminals would line up to get arrested and probed for <BR>
a minor crime, knowing that no matter what they did afterwards they'd be <BR>
safe from the probe (and with the probe available, juries seldom convicted <BR>
without probe evidence).  As a result, the police internal policy was to <BR>
only use it if they were already certain the person was guilty...<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
jg42@cornell.edu        "I do not agree with a word you say, but I will<BR>
                          defend to the death your right to say it."<BR>
                                              -- Francois Marie Voltaire<BR>
#include <disclaimer.h> "Imagination is more important than knowledge"<BR>
                          			     -- Albert Einstein<BR>
for PGP public-key and<BR>
more quotes, http://gerfalcon.tzo.com/plan.htm<BR>
WWW Page: http://gerfalcon.tzo.com/                <BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 23:57:13 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Islamic Observances in Interstellar Space (Was: Re: [OT] Cultural  Differences)<BR>
<BR>
Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
<<snip>><BR>
> <BR>
> OBTrav: trying to deal with dietary or other religious restrictions of<BR>
> a VIP passenger. Which way is Mecca while you are in Jump? Is recycled<BR>
> water kosher? What Islamic calendar date is it?<BR>
<BR>
***NOTE:  While I, as an Arabic linguist, have learned about some<BR>
aspects of Islam, the following should not be taken as representative of<BR>
the Islamic faith, nor should it be construed as authorizing or<BR>
encouraging deviation from Islamic tenets among Terrestial Muslims.**<BR>
<BR>
Well, unless the ship is within a few parsecs of Terra, the direction to<BR>
Mecca can be approximated by the direction to Sol from the ship.  In<BR>
jumpspace, I would interpolate the direction to Sol, based on the<BR>
following:<BR>
<BR>
1.  The direction to Sol from my Jump initiation point;<BR>
<BR>
2.  The direction to Sol from my Jump terminus;<BR>
<BR>
3.  The direction to Sol in jumpspace, interpolated from the first two<BR>
directions, and based on time elapsed in jumpspace.<BR>
<BR>
Again, unless the ship is within a few parsecs of Sol, the fractions of<BR>
a degree would be slight enough as to make no difference.  Besides,<BR>
should interstellar travel become commonplace, I would expect that those<BR>
Muslims who would undertake such would know that God (Allah) would<BR>
accept the intent, and not expect _perfect_ precision in directing<BR>
prayer to Mecca.<BR>
<BR>
I would expect that recycled water would not be considered kosher,<BR>
unless all personnel aboard the ship were Jewish adherents to kosher<BR>
dietary law (I base this supposition on the fact that, when I dined with<BR>
Israeli Defense Force personnel, they had color-coded plates for Jews<BR>
and Gentiles, so that Orthodox Jews would not fear eing defiled by<BR>
eating off a plate that had been used by a Gentile.)<BR>
<BR>
As to how one determines the Islamic calendar dates while outside the<BR>
Solar system, I would expect that, within sight of Sol and her planets<BR>
(in M:1100, that could be quite some distance), direct observation of<BR>
Sol, Terra, and Luna, plus calculation of light's travel time from Sol<BR>
to the point of observation, would fulfill the requirement for "direct<BR>
observation" of the new moon.<BR>
<BR>
Besides, at least some Islamic rules (such as daytime fasting during<BR>
Ramadan) are relaxed for those who are travelling, especially when<BR>
travelling in service to the Islamic faith.<BR>
<BR>
Again, I would expect that Muslims who would be outside of the Sol<BR>
system would receive appropriate guidance from (fairly flexible) Islamic<BR>
scholars, so that they would not be in violation of Islamic law.<BR>
<BR>
Of course, the _real_ problem, for Muslims in the 3I (especially prior<BR>
to the Solomani Rim War), is the requirement for pilgrimage to Mecca<BR>
(Al-Haj).  Even after Terra falls to Imperial forces, travel to Mecca,<BR>
and the return trip home, could take half a lifetime or more for Muslims<BR>
in the Spinward Marches.  It wouldn't surprise me if Islamic scholars<BR>
established shrines throughout human space that would suffice to fulfill<BR>
the pilgrimage requirement, without having to travel for a decade or<BR>
more each way on one's pilgrimage.<BR>
<BR>
<<snip>><BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:13:33 +1000<BR>
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Professional qualifications in 3I (was Re: Stupid questions [was: Re: OT: Mathematical help needed])  :)<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 11:54 AM<BR>
Subject: Professional qualifications in 3I (was Re: Stupid questions [was:<BR>
Re: OT: Mathematical help needed]) :)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
> Here's another twist on that - what happens when a planet refuses to<BR>
> recognize an Imperial accreditation for religious or social reasons?  (I<BR>
> don't mean from a political point of view, obviously the Imperium can<BR>
> squash them into recognizing it, but generally the PCs won't be able to<BR>
> bring that kind of force to bear).  For example, if doctor's licenses are<BR>
> Imperium issued, what happens when a PC doctor tries to treat someone on a<BR>
> planet where certain techniques are outlawed for religious reasons?  The<BR>
> planet may not allow off-planet doctors to practice...<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
<BR>
I've used similar hooks with a PC Doctor.  He was warned not to practice as<BR>
his qual's were not officially recognised "here" and he was arrested and<BR>
jailed when his PC did what his "above the local law" PC needed to do.<BR>
<BR>
I'd say that if the license wasn't recognised for any reason, then the law<BR>
is broken if he continues.<BR>
<BR>
- -- The Roc<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 01:43:04 EST<BR>
From: GypsyComet@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Glitches after maintenance<BR>
<BR>
John Buston <John.Buston@tesco.net> asks:<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
>My players are currently having their ship undergo repairs/annual <BR>
maintenance in<BR>
>a lower tech starport than the ship. They are also performing <BR>
self-maintenance<BR>
>on the jump drive, fusion reactor and thrusters, as well as using an<BR>
>experimental jump drive component.<BR>
><BR>
>Anyone have any nice glitches I can throw at them during the shakedown?<BR>
<BR>
 An alarming but (apparently) harmless rattle/hum/whine when the thrusters <BR>
are brought to full power, or when the fuel begins flowing into the jump <BR>
mechanisms.<BR>
 A carelessly crossed wire (that will take a long time to find again) causes <BR>
the ship to do its own jump-dimming without anyone actually turning down the <BR>
lights.<BR>
<BR>
 I could go on...<BR>
<BR>
GC<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:45:45 -0800<BR>
From: Kristian Miller <travellerne@3rd-imperium.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au wrote:<BR>
...<BR>
> This is the part of the argument I have never understood. I mean, isn't it<BR>
> supposed to be "_organised_ militia"?? I mean, Switzerland has an organised<BR>
<BR>
No.  It's a "well regulated" militia.  Militia, as defined by Webster's<BR>
dictionary and US Law (10 USC 311, I believe) as any male of military<BR>
service age.  Probably the phrase "well regulated" was intended to mean<BR>
"well trained."<BR>
<BR>
Kristian<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:45:45 -0800<BR>
From: Kristian Miller <travellerne@3rd-imperium.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au wrote:<BR>
...<BR>
> This is the part of the argument I have never understood. I mean, isn't it<BR>
> supposed to be "_organised_ militia"?? I mean, Switzerland has an organised<BR>
<BR>
No.  It's a "well regulated" militia.  Militia, as defined by Webster's<BR>
dictionary and US Law (10 USC 311, I believe) as any male of military<BR>
service age.  Probably the phrase "well regulated" was intended to mean<BR>
"well trained."<BR>
<BR>
Kristian<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:50:45 -0800<BR>
From: Kristian Miller <travellerne@3rd-imperium.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
Anthony Jackson wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Actually, the US does have an 'organized militia'.  It's called the National Guard, and is probably fairly close to what the founders wanted, since they were more states-rights people than democrats per se, and the national <BR>
<BR>
Actually, the National Guard and Reserves didn't come into existence<BR>
until over 100 years after the Constitution and Bill of Rights were<BR>
written.  The Bill of Rights was tacked onto the Constitution years<BR>
after the states rights were set out in the Constitution in order to<BR>
preserve certain individual rights and limit the power of the federal<BR>
government.<BR>
<BR>
Kristian<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:11:55 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Craig Berry <cberry@cinenet.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any...<BR>
<BR>
> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 18:58:27<BR>
> From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
> <BR>
> >ObTrav: Orbital precision strikes are much less manpower demanding <BR>
> >than sending in the gropos.<BR>
> <BR>
> and B-52s ended the Vietnam war.. The more research I do, the less<BR>
> impressed I am with the Air Farces of the world.<BR>
<BR>
I presume you're refering to strategic use of airpower, here; I think we<BR>
can all agree that tactical aviation has been hugely important as an<BR>
element of the combined-arms doctrine since WWII.<BR>
<BR>
The major problem with strategic airpower has been its misapplication,<BR>
particularly since WWII.  In that war, massive, well-coordinated raids on<BR>
German production and transportation centers significantly damaged<BR>
Germany's ability to field an effective army.  In the absence of the<BR>
multiyear bombing campaing, it's quite probable the invasion of France in<BR>
'44 would have been repelled.<BR>
<BR>
The flip side, of couse, is that we could have continued to bomb the<BR>
continent for a decade and Hitler (or his successor) would still have been<BR>
in power without the necessary followup to the air campaign -- that is,<BR>
sending staggering numbers of ground troops across the channel to get shot<BR>
to pieces on the sand, all too often, with the remainder securing those<BR>
beaches, then the ports, and spearheading a ground drive into occupied<BR>
Europe. <BR>
<BR>
This is the strategic side of combined arms -- you can't (usually) win a<BR>
large modern war on air *or* ground strategies alone.  The problem is, air<BR>
campaings are very cheap and easy for the party with air superiority, and<BR>
you're so visibly 'doing something'; so there's a strong temptation to<BR>
stop at that point without committing ground troops to exploit the<BR>
weakening brought on by your strategic campaign.  Which leads to outright<BR>
losses like Viet Nam, and ambiguous pseudo-successes like Kuwait and<BR>
Kosovo.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
   |   Craig Berry - cberry@cinenet.net<BR>
 --*--  http://www.cinenet.net/users/cberry/home.html<BR>
   |   "They do not preach that their God will rouse them<BR>
      a little before the nuts work loose." - Kipling<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:48:29 -0800<BR>
From: "David P. Summers" <summers@alum.mit.edu><BR>
Subject: RE: Border Guards<BR>
<BR>
>>ObTrav:  How common is the non-self incrimination right in planetary law?<BR>
>>Is it a low law level concept, high LL concept, or does it span both?<BR>
>>Is it allowed in Imperial Law courts?<BR>
<BR>
I don't see it in Imperial court.  I don't see the Imperium being<BR>
big on the idea of letting ten guilty go free to make sure they<BR>
don't get on innocent.  IMO, Imperial right are the right to<BR>
a trial before an impartial judge, the right to present evidence<BR>
on your behalf, and the right to call witnesses on your behalf.<BR>
Basically it will guarantee the rule of law over arbitrary<BR>
action by individuals.<BR>
______________________________<BR>
summers@alum.mit.edu<BR>
(This is the net.  My e-mail address may be in Boston, but I'm in California.)<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:56:54 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Diplomacy<BR>
<BR>
>Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:02:25 -0500<BR>
>From: "Thom Harris" <thomharr@mediaone.net><BR>
>Subject: Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....<BR>
><BR>
>Dave, this isn't meant as a flame and I apologize to Leonard for my earlier<BR>
>post but I have to say to both of you guys WHO CARES?<BR>
                                            ^^^^^^^^^<BR>
There are those who do. As far as copyright issues go, PD and Freeware are<BR>
VERY different.<BR>
<BR>
Public Domain is a subset of freeware, not all (nor even most) freeware is<BR>
in the public domain.<BR>
<BR>
For example, all of my software is freeware. I allow people to use the<BR>
software. I do not allow others to modify it without listing me in the<BR>
credits. Certain software that is over 20 years old IS in the public<BR>
domain... Certain others are never copyrighted. Such public domain<BR>
materials can be used for any purpose (including commercial) without any<BR>
concerns. Most freeware, however, is restricted rights. And, since a "Hand<BR>
Copyright" (Non-registered copyright) is valid in the US, with duration<BR>
variable by material (Music, at least in 1990, was 2 years on a hand<BR>
copyright).<BR>
<BR>
And, speaking of irritating habits, sorry 'bout the subject-less posts... I<BR>
get the digest, and sometimes don't remeber to retype or cut and past the<BR>
subject...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
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<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:59:07 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: [none]<BR>
<BR>
>>At 02:18 PM 11/3/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>>><BR>
>>>Kiri  =)  not Keri, Kerry or Carrie<BR>
>><BR>
>>So how is your name pronounced?<BR>
><BR>
>Let me take a guess..  K'-ear-EE.. rhymes with leery.<BR>
<BR>
Based upon her last post, and her proudly japanese heritage, prolly more like<BR>
<BR>
	Kee-Ree<BR>
<BR>
well, Kiri?<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis http://www.alaska.net/~mhaa<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:04:18 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re CT BBB Errata<BR>
<BR>
>>> hydrographics is 2d6-7 + atmosphere (not size)<BR>
>><BR>
>> Not according to my copy of LBB 3 :-).<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>Wow. Errata in _The Traveller Book_. Kewl.<BR>
><BR>
>It says, right there, bigger 'n hell, on page 82: "Hydrographics Percentage<BR>
>(2D-7+atmosphere; ..."<BR>
><BR>
>This is then contradicted on the table on page 85. Book 6: Scouts, MT Ref's<BR>
>Manual, TNE and (apparently) Book 3 all say the table on page 85 is correct.<BR>
<BR>
I'll verify that (much to my amazement!) that the Softcover Traveller Book<BR>
indeed says 2d7+ Atmosphere in the text on page 82...<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman<BR>
Mailto:Aramis@gci.net<BR>
ICQ:14640742<BR>
AIM:AKAramis<BR>
<BR>
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Arabian Sea Tales, and Masterbook GM<BR>
Star Trek, B5, FSRP, and Traveller Fan<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
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